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Poster: Jonathan Aizen Date: Dec 16, 2003 10:11am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: access formats on LMA (mp3 ogg etc)

I intend to use LAME to do the encoding, for the variable bit rates, I'll use -preset standard flag, and for other bitrates I'll use -b {64,128,192,256}

Jon

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Poster: dgrayshn Date: Dec 16, 2003 10:56am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: access formats on LMA (mp3 ogg etc)

so much for debate.. you admins are speaking as if it is a forgone conclusion that there will be mp3's here..

why not just take down the etree message now.. I dont see how anyone who is part of etree could stand for this..

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Dec 16, 2003 11:22pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: access formats on LMA (mp3 ogg etc)

I dont see how anyone who is part of etree

I'm "part of etree", I can send you a summary of my views if you missed 'em before. (j/k, no reader could've missed- I must be a top-volume board poster here now as well as in etree venues. ;) ).

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2003-12-17 07:22:20

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Poster: bleblanc Date: Dec 16, 2003 11:45pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: access formats on LMA (mp3 ogg etc)

I dont see how anyone who is part of etree could stand for this.

Count me in too. I've been involved with etree since 1998.

-Brad

This post was modified by bleblanc on 2003-12-17 07:45:53

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Poster: dgrayshn Date: Dec 16, 2003 11:39pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: access formats on LMA (mp3 ogg etc)

another thing... no one has pointed that more and more bands are going to start selling live shows themselves.. in mp3 and shn/flac.. previously some bands might not have been worried about archive because only audiophiles or hard-core fans might have gone to download shn/flac..but once you add mp3 and open it up to everyone i bet you many bands will not be thrilled about that and either pull out or ask that this stop..especially if it is hurting their sales for any reason..

ALso if mp3 is such a viable solution that you guys are confident will be around in 10 years why is it I'm looking at a portable player that supports flac and I know I'm not allown..

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Dec 17, 2003 12:41am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: access formats on LMA (mp3 ogg etc)

previously some bands might not have been worried about archive... open it up to everyone i bet you many bands will not be thrilled about that

Hm, the logic doesn't follow on this. Bands that have said yes to archiving are already well aware that it increases exposure to and availability of their music in some form, because we've even highlighted that in "pitching" the idea to them. Presumably they've already overcome "worry" in their cost-benefit analysis, prior to saying "yes" at all. That's typically why they decided to be trade-friendly in the first place.

Again, they know they can place limits on the available form here (sbd vs aud for instance; or, just this show vs not some other show; later another limit, lossless and lossy vs just lossless).

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2003-12-17 08:41:28

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Poster: bleblanc Date: Dec 17, 2003 12:19am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: access formats on LMA (mp3 ogg etc)

Also if mp3 is such a viable solution that you guys are confident will be around in 10 years why is it I'm looking at a portable player that supports flac and I know I'm not alone

Please see my posts above. Just because it's supporting FLAC, doesn't mean that the whole world will convert to FLAC in 5 years. For one thing, most folks don't consider FLAC a replacement for MP3 because the files are much larger. A 20GB iPod can hold 10,000 MP3's versus only 1,000 or so FLAC files.

However, this has very little relevance to the discussion. MP3 isn't a "Solution", it's a feature. If MP3 fades away and people stop using them, the feature will probably be removed from this site. It's that simple. If another format pops up as better, we might discuss adding it instead. The reality is that we have a band right now waiting for us to add them so they can point their fans here. In other words, some bands *want* them here. We have a few bands that don't want them here and have added that in their policy (i.e. Howie Day) - so we won't add any to that artist's collection.

If it bothers bands, they are free to change their policy regarding MP3's and we'll remove them. I'll be surprised if they get all heated up and decide "It's time to ban the archive and piss off all our fans over there!!!" rather than just changing their policy.

For example, SKB just had a change in their policy and their archivists sent us a note. We swapped a few friendly emails to ask if we needed to remove recordings from our collection per the change, and they said no. Presto.

The current solution aims to please the most people as possible. Those that like the idea and those that don't. It's not an ALL OR NOTHING solution. If you contribute a recording and don't want MP3's, then you choose that by (probably) unchecking a checkbox. Presto, you just opted out. I just don't see how my wanting them with my work and the Archive offering that as an option to me should offend you when it isn't forced on you. If you don't want to see them next to your contributions, then go ahead and choose "No".

-Brad

This post was modified by bleblanc on 2003-12-17 08:19:44

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Poster: thoman8r Date: Dec 17, 2003 12:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: access formats on LMA (mp3 ogg etc)

If it bothers bands, they are free to change their policy regarding MP3's and we'll remove them. I'll be surprised if they get all heated up and decide "It's time to ban the archive and piss off all our fans over there!!!" rather than just changing their policy.

I think the archive should get explicit permission from each band before allowing mp3s, even if there isn't anything in their policy. Some bands, especially less established ones, may not have a clear cut written policy on distribution. Just because mp3s aren't explicitly forbidden, it can't be assumed a band will be ok with it. They agreed to allow the archive to host lossless copies of their shows, that's all.

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Dec 17, 2003 1:00am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: access formats on LMA and band contacts

Good point, the plan is indeed to "ping" them all beforehand if they haven't said anything about mp3 in their policy notes.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2003-12-17 09:00:27